https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/montreal-rem-vancouver-skytrain-comparison
If the SkyTrain could ever have longer stations & longer trains, then it might be on the same level as even the Montreal Metro, let alone REM.
UTL is about exploring past, present and future urban technologies in science and fiction, etc...
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/montreal-rem-vancouver-skytrain-comparison
If the SkyTrain could ever have longer stations & longer trains, then it might be on the same level as even the Montreal Metro, let alone REM.
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/west-georgia-street-rush-hour-vancouver-bc--72550243987409307
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-north-vancouver-west-vancouver-north-shore
The Lions+Gate+Bridge is a classic 3 lane bottleneck, or the quintessential urban chokepoint. The LGB could become an excellent foot, bus & bike bridge, if only a tunnel could be built close to it.
Five-blocks east of the park, Georgia Street is continually seven lanes wide.
https://vancouver.ca/streets-transportation/west-georgia-complete-street.aspx
While that segment of W. Georgia_Street is 7 lanes wide, an 8 lane tunnel could cross the 1st Narrows. A 7 lane tunnel might be a little cheaper with a middle centre lane section & barrier, two 4 lane compartments would be much better. During the morning, all 4 lanes could be heading into Vancouver with 1 as a HOV lane. Then, during the afternoon, all 4 northbound lanes would be open with the 4th being a HOV lane.
The 4 lane northbound tunnel could emerge just north of the LGB. Then the surface route could connect to Marine Drive and then turn onto Capilano Road. The Cap interchange is already there. Simply moving the yellow line over one lane would allow 3 lanes of northbound traffic on Capilano Road.
A reconfigured TCH & Taylor Way interchange could allow for 3 southbound lanes right down to the mall, simply by moving the yellow line over 1 lane. Then, a 3 lane Taylor Way southbound tunnel could start just south of the Marine Drive intersection. A southbound HOV lane would have to be routed into it.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/this-week-in-history-the-great-georgia-harris-viaduct-opens-in-1915 Aparently, no one bothered to make sure that the 4 lane structure could properly support streetcars. Thus, the inept city couldn't use it as a major east-west streetcar route.
https://spacing.ca/vancouver/2011/06/16/the-viaducts-past-present-and-future-part-1 Even in the 1970s there was no concept to have an express bus corridor betwen Vancouver, Burnaby & Coquitlam.
https://viewpointvancouver.ca/2015/01/13/john-mackie-the-georgia-viaduct-and-the-freeway-fight-1972
Then when the first 2 SkyTrain lines were built, the stations were barely half the length of the 152.5 meter Montreal Metro stations. Evidently, this was to save money, but the stations should have still been built to proper big city standards. Then to further reinforce the symbolism of congestive planning agenda, the 3rd line only has enough clearance for 50 meter stations.
Sydney started to have taller buildings than Vancouver by the early 1960s. https://ca.pinterest.com/pin/west-georgia-street-1960--497647827546801125 It took until the end of the 1960s for Melbourne to start having taller buildings than Vancouver. Then as Melbourne soared into the 1970s, Vancouver started to create a series of overlapping restrictions to thwart the city.
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/british-columbia-vancouver-skyline-1970s-with-possible-building-site-of-west-coast-transmission-building--716424253196467928 Despite being a Pacific city, Vancouver & Canada don't seem to be interested in having a proper metropolis on the scale of Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane. The tallest buildings in Vancouver must be shorter than even the tallest in Perth, Seattle & Calgary. Most of the roads & bridges are to be half the width & the trains are also to be a half-length joke. Thus, Greater Vancouver has been in a perpetual state of congestion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CenterPoint_Energy_Plaza
https://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=1089
https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/Building/2164/CenterPoint%20Energy%20Tower.php
https://www.keatingarchitecture.com/center-point-energy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Houston
Most bridges in Greater Vancouver are so narrow, because there was no provision to have bus and HOV lanes. The+Lion+Bridge+and+The+Iron+Bridge are 2 classic examples of not constructing additional infrastructure to accommodate bus lanes, HOV lanes and especially, rail rapid transit. That's because such improvements would actually go against the congestive urban planning agenda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacey_V._Murrow_Memorial_Bridge , https://www.historylink.org/file/21298 A narrow 4 lane BC type bridge was upgraded to an 8 lane crossing, plus 2 LRT tracks for WA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrows_Bridge_(Perth) From a basic bridge to a nice 10 lane crossing with 2 train tracks for WA. https://structurae.net/en/structures/narrows-bridge Its great that the horrible backwards Vancouver mentality never made it to Perth. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/perth-narrows-bridge-60-years-since-construction/11697812 Unfortunately, Vancouver & BC have done their damndest to prevent a similar nice, wide crossing, which also includes 6_car_trains. While backwards Vancouver & BC didn't want to build wider infrastructure simply to accomodate more drivers, the funds didn't seem to go towards a regional rapid bus or at least an express bus & HOV network with its own set of bridges. The SkyTrain should have been designed with a provision to eventually have stations at least as long as those on the Montreal Metro, which can accomodate 9 car trains on a 500 ft platform or 152.5 m. https://heritage.engineersaustralia.org.au/wiki/Place:Constructing_Narrows_Bridges
The old Champlain_Bridge_in Montreal just had 3 lanes each way & no provision for a train. Where as the new Samuel-De_Champlain_Bridge provides 4 lanes each way & has 2 REM train tracks. https://www.samueldechamplainbridge.ca Fortunately, Montreal, like Seattle & Perth was able to have a nice wide bridge with 2 train tracks in the middle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel-De_Champlain_Bridge#Construction_method
Montreal, Seattle & Perth are allowed to exist on a larger scale than backwards Vancouver, because they don't have the same imposed restrictions. Urban Quebec and urban WA are able to do so much more, because they aren't hindered by anything like the backwards BC mentality.
Risk assessment model of bottlenecks for urban expressways using survival analysis approach https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235214651730474X
Perth and Seattle are fine examples of what hasn't been allowed in Vancouver, BC. Perth has good year round weather & better infrastructure than Vancouver. While Seattle can almost have as much cold & crappy damp Vancouver weather, it's not a thwarted city. Perth & especially Seattle permit taller buildings, wider bridges & have longer trains.
https://www.westernaustralia.com/en/places-to-visit/perth-and-surrounds/travel-to-and-around-perth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth#Infrastructure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windan_Bridge , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goongoongup_Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railways_in_Perth#Routes_and_services
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_line,_Perth#Stations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_line,_Perth#Rolling_stock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandurah_line
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/High_Wycombe_train_gn1.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth_railway_station#/media/File:Perth_station_platform2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle#Transportation
https://www.soundtransit.org/blog/platform/making-i-90-floating-bridge-stronger-longer-lasting-trains This crossing provides 4 Lanes each way with 2 tracks for LRT.
Essentially, Perth+and+Seattle both have been able to develop on a grander urban scale than restrictive Vancouver. There is just something about the small-scale thinking of backwater BC that hasn't caught on with, or been adopted by WA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany,_Western_Australia
https://gsdc.wa.gov.au/our-region/city-of-albany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Albany
https://www.westernaustralia.com/en/places/albany/56b266bb2cbcbe7073ae06bd
https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2021-11/LST-Albany.pdf
https://profile.id.com.au/albany/population-estimate
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vancouver+Peninsula+WA+6330,+Australia
https://www.google.com/maps/place/West+Cape+Howe+National+Park
https://www.icontainers.com/us/2020/01/20/top-10-ports-australia
https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/8-major-ports-in-australia
https://www.porttechnology.org/news/top-5-ports-in-australia-2021
https://container-news.com/top-10-the-busiest-container-ports-in-oceania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage
https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-by-l/sidetracks/history-l , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPCFnF4csA
https://www.947wls.com/2022/02/28/this-is-where-the-cta-el-train-is-its-loudest/
https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-by-l/sidetracks/how-cta-map-got-its-colors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6xJFpPY_7s&t=2019s CTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLti1BiNCPE OH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro#Rolling_stock
| Peak From 7am to 9am and from 4pm to 6pm | Non-peak Morning, day and evening (non-peak) | |
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| Week | Every 3 to 5 minutes | Every 4 to 10 minutes |
| Week-end | Every 6 to 12 minutes | |
https://www.stm.info/en/info/networks/metro/orange
https://www.stm.info/en/info/networks/metro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro#Future_projects
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/union-station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Line
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/ontario-line
https://www.infrastructureontario.ca/en/what-we-do/projectssearch/ontario-line/
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/finch-west-lrt
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/eglinton-crosstown-west-extension
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/eglinton-crosstown-lrt
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/scarborough-subway-extension
Beacon Hill's 400-foot-long (120 m) split island platform is located between the two Beacon Hill Tunnel tubes, with a small cross-tunnel passageway between the two sections of the platform.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beacon_Hill_station_(Sound_Transit)#Station_layout , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Line_(Sound_Transit)#Stations , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_station#Station_layout , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westlake_station_(Sound_Transit)#Station_layout , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Line_(Sound_Transit)#Route
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_light_rail#Rolling_stock
seattle metro
train stations
https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/2021/12/23/burrard-bridge/
https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/2022/12/26/downtown-false-creek-from-above/
https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/2022/01/03/burrard-inlet-waterfront-from-above/
https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/2023/01/02/burrard-inlet-waterfront-from-above-2/
https://changingvancouver.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/burrard-building/
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/broadway-plan-pace-of-change-policy-rental-housing-issues
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-rent-more-expensive-2023
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-housing-market-starting-to-balance-report
https://dailyhive.com/montreal/rent-report-march-montreal-price
https://dailyhive.com/canada/canada-home-prices-inflation-employment-forecast-2023
https://dailyhive.com/canada/canada-housing-market-downturn-bottom-forecast-2023
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/pattullo-bridge-new-replacement-construction-update-2024
This small city mentality is ridiculous.
Unfortunatly, the narrow Pattullo+Bridge+replacement is indicative of the BC reluctance to properly build for the future. That's the nature of the BC Mind Virus (BCMV).
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-skytrain
50 m short SkyTrain-Canada+Line stations are so symbolic of the reluctance to have Montreal Metro & Toronto Subway length stations that are 152.5 m or 500 feet long.
To allow Montreal & Toronto size stations in Greater Vancouver would be indicative of accepting & planning for big city type growth. Indeed, all the SkyTrain stations were deliberately built to be shorter than any underground stations in Edmonton, Seattle & Portland. Even the new underground stations in Calgary will be longer, that's because Calgary, like so many other proper cities, aren't under the control of a backwards Vancouver and backwater BC type agenda.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-2017-kevin-desmond-canada-line-built-skytrain
However, Vancouver & BC are all about congestive planning. Thus, building small & narrow provides great symbolism against building big. Of course who knows where all the decades of money went, because it didn't all go into the half-size infrastructure? It's quite a strange approach, have short trains & narrow bridges, but pay full price & hope that no one notices. This is terrible for people who would like to have proper size big city infrastructure.
Greater Vancouver should have had all of its Skytrain stations built to be at least 500 feet or 152.45 m. There should have been bus & HOV bridges built next to all of the narrow bridges, several decades ago. However, that would conflict with the madness of Vancouverization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line#Canada_Line_Hyundai_Rotem_specifications
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line#Stations Wow, design & build a multibillion dollar train line that can only be expanded from an absurd 2 car train upto a 2.5 car train. No need to have a provision for a 6, 8 or 10 car trains. That's what a big city would do, but Vancouver & Richmond are all about taking a congestive planning approach. That's the backwater BC way.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/translink-adds-more-trains-to-its-canada-line-fleet
Just because the YVR-Canada+Line uses a different technology, all of the stations should have been designed to even have longer stations than the 80m stations on the first 2 SkyTrain lines.
https://jfdatalinks.blogspot.com/search?q=SkyTrain-Canada+Line
9 car trains 459 ft or 140m.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(rail_system)#/media/File:Train_Ride_to_Newark_(1997)_(6390625079).jpg 8 x 51 ft = 408 or 124m.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_(rail_system)#Rolling_stock
https://liamoconnell.com/2022/07/08/why-the-path-train-never-grew/
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/05/16/opinion-the-port-authoritys-wrong-moves-at-newark-airport/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfYgsWxqiUg
Montreal's Underground City (officially known as RÉSO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcysNkp0Li0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney#Urban_structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quay_Quarter_Tower
https://www.arup.com/projects/quay-quarter-tower
https://www.bvn.com.au/project/quay-quarter
https://www.buildaustralia.com.au/projects/keys-handed-over-for-new-quay-quarter-tower-in-sydney/
https://www.multiplex.global/ca/projects/quay-quarter-tower/
https://www.bvn.com.au/article/qqt-its-a-wrap
https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/quay-quarter-tower/17753
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Sydney#Tallest_buildings
Toronto Transit Commission’s Andy Byford gives us a tour of Toronto’s underground subway tunnels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qwkjW1uIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvsBg1-h4Xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRpRxT9s--I The history and the future expansion plans for the TTC Toronto Subway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF1RH5BzDjw little-known facts about our Toronto subway system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2AJJ7KYs-c
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(Calgary)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_station_(Calgary)
"Up until the completion of the Red Line's Fish Creek–Lacombe station, all platforms for the CTrain were originally designed to service three-car trains, although there had been enough space allotted to allow four-car trains. Beginning in 2007 construction on station platforms began to expand the entire network to allow four-car trains, with the project being completed in 2017..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(Calgary)#Capacity_upgrade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_(Calgary)#Stations_and_route
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTrain#Rolling_stock
https://vancouversun.com/business/real-estate/tall-towers-vancouver-burnaby-surrey-coquitlam
Tall only by backwater BC standards, when compared to several other urban regions around the world.
https://www.sfmta.com/projects/muni-metro-modernization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muni_Metro
75 feet
(23 metres) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_S200
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muni_Metro#Rolling_stock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_S200#Couplers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_Street_subway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muni_Metro#/media/File:Muni_Metro_(2020-08).svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muni_Metro#Recent_expansions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Subway_(San_Francisco)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Subway_(San_Francisco)#Proposed_extension
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown_station_(Muni_Metro)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Square/Market_Street_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Street_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Buena/Moscone_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_and_Brannan_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_4th_and_King_Street_station
https://jfdatalinks.blogspot.com/search?q=Passenger+Train+Lengths
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock
Selective door operation (SDO) is used at some stations where the platform is shorter than the train, such as at Baker Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock#Features
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_378#Design_and_features
The first 2 SkyTrain lines only have 80m stations, which can accomodate 5 of the newest cars. However, with SDO a 5 car train can become 7.
The Canada embasement Line was only designed to have 50m stations, not 152m stations like the Montreal Metro. Unfortunatly, the underbuilt Canada Line stations weren't designed to accommodate 5 car trains, only a 2.5 car joke of a train. Getting past the half-car B$, three 20m cars would form a 60m train. SDO can not only make a 3 car train possible, but a 5 car train length of 100m, despite its absurd 50m platform. It just would have been better to have built proper big city stations in the first place.
Of course Vancouver would opt to have shorter underground train stations than Montréal, Toronto, Edmonton, Seattle, SF & LA, because shorter trains help to increase urban transportation congestion. Unfortunatly, increasing congestion is a key component of the Vancouver city planning mentality & BC in general.
https://jfdatalinks.blogspot.com/search?q=Selective+Door+Operation