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Monday, January 23, 2023

Passenger Train Lengths

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Train length
  • 4-car: 82.87 m (271 ft 11 in)
  • 5-car: 102.86 m (337 ft 6 in)
Car length
  • DM vehs.: 21,446 mm (70 ft 4 in)
  • Others: 19,990 mm (65 ft 7 in)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_710#Operation 68' or 67.5' x 4 or 5 car trains.


Train length
  • S7: 117.45 m (385 ft 4 in)
  • S8: 133.68 m (438 ft 7 in)
Car length
  • 17.44 m (57 ft 3 in) (DM)
  • 15.43 m (50 ft 7 in) (NDM)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock

Selective door operation (SDO) is used at some stations where the platform is shorter than the train, such as at Baker Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock#Features


Train length101.350 m (332 ft 6.2 in)
Car length
  • DMOS vehs.: 19.995 m (65 ft 7.2 in)
  • Others: 19.660 m (64 ft 6.0 in)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_378#Design_and_features


The first 2 SkyTrain lines only have 80m stations, which can accomodate 5 of the newest cars. However, with SDO a 5 car train can become 7.

The Canada embasement Line was only designed to have 50m stations, not 152m stations like the Montreal Metro. Unfortunatly, the underbuilt Canada Line stations weren't designed to accommodate 5 car trains, only a 2.5 car joke of a train. Getting past the half-car B$, three 20m cars would form a 60m train. SDO can not only make a 3 car train possible, but a 5 car train length of 100m, despite its absurd 50m platform. It just would have been better to have built proper big city stations in the first place.

Of course Vancouver would opt to have shorter underground train stations than Montréal, Toronto, Edmonton, Seattle, SF & LA, because shorter trains help to increase urban transportation congestion. Unfortunately, increasing congestion is a key component of the Vancouver city planning mentality & BC in general.



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Monday, June 1, 2026

Yaletown–Roundhouse station's fare gate capacity increased by 66%

 https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-yaletown-roundhouse-station-additional-fare-gates-completed 

The Canada line is such a watered down version of what should have been a proper big city airport and ferry rapid transit link. Just because this infrastructure project had to be scaled down during its first phase, the stations still could have been designed to eventually accommodate 5-6 car trains. Unfortunately, the stations were only designed to accommodate a 2.5 car train. While this perfectly fits in with the inept urban transportation mentality and especially fits in with the BC congestive transportation agenda, this is another sad result. 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-yaletown-roundhouse-station-fare-gate-expansion

Despite being downtown with several condominiums around, the Yaletown-Roundhouse_station is too small for an inner-city station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaletown-Roundhouse_station#Station_information 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Yaletown_Roundhouse_Stn.jpg/1280px-Yaletown_Roundhouse_Stn.jpg 

There is barely enough level clarence beyond the short platform for another car. To remedy this inadequate situation, this line needs to have three full-size cars, not just some eventual 2.5 car joke of a train. 

https://www.eke-electronics.com/automatic-selective-door-operation-asdo 

Then eventually, once people got used to a 3 car train, an extra car could be added at each end, resulting in a 5 car train. Its a workaround that can eventually enable the 3rd line or the C Line to run 3-5 cars trains to meet demand. 

Then the Exp. Line and Mil. Line, or what could become A & B lines with standard 5 car trains. However, during the busy times, a 7 car train could be possible with selective-door-operation technology. 

It would have been better to have just built all of the Skytrain stations long enough for 5 car trains in the first place, with enough level track clearance for 10 car trains eventually.

Monday, May 12, 2025

NSW OSCAR Trains

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales_H_set

Train length81.55 m (267 ft 6+58 in)
Car length
  • 20.34 m (66 ft 8+34 in) (OD)
  • 20,435 mm (67 ft 12 in) (ON/ONL)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_Wales_H_set#Design

An 8 car train stopping at a 6 car station.

"Example of selective door operation. The doors in the first 2 carriages are not opened, because the platform is too short for an 8-carriage OSCAR train." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_door_operation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Trains


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Selective Door Operation (SDO)

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_door_operation#UK_variations

SDO is a great way to add an extra car at both ends of a train. Thus, a 3 car train can become 5 & a 6 car train could become 8. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock#Features

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock#/media/File:Articulate_section_S_stock.JPG

https://www.witpress.com/elibrary/wit-transactions-on-the-built-environment/74/12046

https://www.rssb.co.uk/research-catalogue/CatalogueItem/T686

The Chicago L can run up to an 8 car train, because that's the maximum station platform length. If the L can ever have walkthrough trains, then an 8 car train could become a 10 car train with SDO.

Stubborn Vancouver & BC just can't seem to allow for proper comprehensive transportation planning. 

Unfortunately, the multibillion dollar Canada+Line wasn't designed for significant future capacity. No five car trains, just a 2.5 car joke. There was a lack of vision to connect the Horseshoe+Bay ferry+terminal with downtown Vancouver and the airport.



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Thursday, May 5, 2022

SDO for short stations to make for longer trains

Although the station platform only allows room for a three-car trainset, when the station was first opened a six-car trainset was used on the line. In this case, only the first three train cars' doors opened at this station (selective door operation). It was not until 22 July 2006 that a dedicated three-car trainset began service on the line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaobitan_metro_station

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Door_Operation (SDO)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taipei_Metro#Platforms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_unit

SDO is such a great way to add a couple of cars without having to extend the platform until its absolutely necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtT0U-5zME ber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epKxaeCCHE sth



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Monday, November 17, 2025

Evolution of the Vancouver SkyTrain 1985-2035

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3kzHlQQSeg 

The first 2 lines only have stations that can accommodate the new 5 car trains, not 8-10 cars. 

Unfortunately, the Canada Line wasn't designed to accommodate 5 car trains, only a 2.5 car joke of a train.

https://sellacontrols.com/automatic-selective-door-opening-asdo-correct-side-door-enabling-csde/

Eventually, a 5 car train could have an extra car at each end to become 7. 

Despite initial cost cutting measures, the Canada_Line still could have been designed to eventually have 160 m long stations, not 160 foot joke stations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line#Stations 

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Riding the REM Through the Mount Royal Tunnel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olBJF2w74oc

Wednesday, May 6, 2026

West Broadway at Cambie Street

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/broadway-city-hall-station-subway-full-road-closure-construction-summer-2026 

Under current station platform limitations, the 2nd line can only accommodate 5 car trains, not 10. The 3rd line can only accommodate a 2.5 car train, not 5 and especially not 10 cars. That despite it being an airport line and potential link to a BC Ferry Terminal train station.


Monday, July 14, 2025

Skyline (Honolulu) Rapid Transit

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(Honolulu) Only 4 car trains? At least it's not a 2 - 2.5 car joke of a train that is the Canada embarrassment Line in backwards Vancouver.

Fortunately, it's a walkthrough train and with SDO, it could eventually become a 6 car train, if there is ever a need to increase capacity by 50%.

https://honolulutransit.org/about/route-map , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wq3THzQZr0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(Honolulu)#Rolling_stock

https://www.honolulu.gov/dts/skyline/home/

Hawaii's $10BN Railway Nightmare Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xnrhm1KcB4



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Thursday, May 21, 2026

The new Capstan Station recorded SkyTrain's fourth-lowest ridership after one year

 https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-capstan-station-ridership-canada-line 

Wow, this picture almost makes it look like its a big-city train station and not just a 2 car train joke. The CLine should have opened with 5-6 car trains, or at least 3 car trains. Any station can have the potential of becoming more popular, especially when there are more residential and business structures close to it. 

The Can-Line could really benefit from Selective+Door+Operation, which would allow for longer trains.


How Copenhagen built a metro for free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzamwVH3CXU&t=8s At least this could run 3 car trains right from when it started.

Friday, September 11, 2026

How the City Rail Link Transforms Auckland's Train Network while Vancouver is trapped by the BCMV

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmtSI3N57kM Auckland, like Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Seattle, Edmonton, Toronto & Montreal... are just some of the cities that get to have longer train than provincial Vancouver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Rail_Link  

"Although the trains are capable of having extra cars added in groups of three, the CRL station platforms, as originally specified, would not be long enough to accommodate nine-car trains. The proposed new capacity is 54,000 passengers per hour with the station platforms to be made longer so they can take the longer trains..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Rail_Link#Capacity_forecast_forces_platform_enlargements 

9 car trains are possible for Auckland, because there isn't anything like a Vancouver Mind Virus (VMV) to thwart it. 

https://www.cityraillink.co.nz/meet-your-stations 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitemat%C4%81_railway_station#Capacity Proper big city infrastructure planning and development, unlike backwards Vancouver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitemat%C4%81_railway_station#Electrification 


In contrast is the joke that is the two car Canada_Line. There was a deliberate decision, (apparently to save money) to not have a future station level clearance of at lest 100 m, if not even 160 m. So instead of planning for at least 5 car trains, there is only enough space for a 2.5 car joke of a train, some day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line#Stations "The five busiest stations have platforms 50 metres (160 ft) long, while the rest of the stations have 40-metre (130 ft) platforms that can be easily extended to 50 metres." 

Being that this is a line which could eventually link YVR to the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal & eventually Waterfront station with Park Royal and even the Horseshoe Bay Ferry Terminal, the BC Mind Virus (BCMV) got in the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Line#Technology "The capacity of the trains is estimated at 334 people per pair of cars (comfortably) or 400 people at crush load." 

Since each car is 20 m and the stations are designed to a maximum of 50 m, every effort should be made to try to eventually have 60 m platforms. Unfortunately, it might be difficult enough just to try to gradually have 55 m stations. Still, the initial goal should be to try to have a 3 car train of 60 m. 

Then with Selective+Door+Operation, a 3 car train could become a 5 car train. Its unfortunate that there is such bad transportation planning in Greater Vancouver. Compared to backwards Vancouver, its great that nothing like a VMV has prevented Auckland from eventually having 9 car trains. The Montreal Metro and the Stockholm Subway can also have 9 car trains. Unlike Vancouver, several cities have no problem thinking big.

Auckland is so far away from the backwards mentality of Vancouver. Thus, Auckland is allowed to have longer trains than provincial Vancouver and taller buildings and even a wider harbor bridge. Of course the same can be said about Sydney and several other cities. 

Friday, May 15, 2026

Vancouver’s NEW Mark V SkyTrain

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNDGm8u364 

Many proper big cities have 10 car trains. Its taken slow Vancouver just to start having 5 car trains.


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Thursday, May 21, 2026

Vancouver's Mark 1 SkyTrain History

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzj0vDg13U 

Unfortunately, the stations were only designed to accommodate 6 short cars on an 80 m platform. Eventually, even with the longer cars, Selective+Door+Operation will be necessary to allow for longer trains.

Tuesday, June 2, 2026

Seoul's Subway System Is Decades Ahead of many others

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPlGQDpx4xg 

While there could be a reasonable argument that if a subway or elevated line isn't expected to be that busy in its first few years, then just build half-size stations and run half-length trains. However, in the case of backwards Vancouver, what should have been stations that were designed to accommodate at least 5 car trains, were only designed for an eventual 2.5 car train. Thus, it will be challenging enough just to modify the incredibly short Canada Line stations to gradually accommodate 3 full-size 20 m cars, not just some 2.5 car joke of a train for a 50 m station. 

Fortunately the Skyline_(Honolulu) stations can accommodate a 4 car train right from the start. Someday, with SDO a 4 car train could become a 6 car train.

If Selective+Door+Operation (SDO) can ever be implemented on the YVR-Canada Line then it can go from being a 2 car joke of a train to a 3 car attempt of a train. Then, once people got used to 3 car trains, an extra car could be added at both ends, thus allowing for a 5 car train. 

Ultimately, the YVR-Canada+Line should have been designed as a proper big-city size train with 8-10 cars. There seems to be such a lack of proper long-term transportation infrastructure planning in BC. To just build a small-scale line as a symbolic demonstration of reluctance towards the Pacific Rim is so absurd. 

Fortunately, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane never opted for such a short train.  


There Is a Hidden City Under Seoul Nobody Talks About. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIewf8sOZ0I

Tuesday, July 5, 2022

SkyTrain (Greater Vancouver) Network

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_(Vancouver)#Network

The SkyTrain+bridges could have been designed to be proper multimodal crossings. Unfortunately, the BC way is to provide a half-assed attempt.

The Skybridge between NW & Surrey is one of the worlds best examples of inept urban planning. No foot & bike paths & especially, no bus lanes. Fortunately, the backward BC mentality wasn't able to reach & prevent Oregon from building the fantastic Tilikum_Crossing.

The first 2 SkyTrain bridges should have been designed to accommodate at least 3 tracks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_(Vancouver)#/media/File:Vancouver_Skytrain_and_Seabus_Map.svg

The first 2 SkyTrain bridges also should have had a foot & bike path on both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_%28Vancouver%29#/media/File:Vancouver_SkyTrain_track_diagram_v3.svg 

Unfortunately, the North_Arm_Bridge for the Canada Line was also designed to not have at least 3 tracks & 2 bus lanes. There is only one combined foot & bike path, when there should have been 2. Fortunately, the Tilikum_Crossing's_Design allowed for 2 types of rail systems, bus access, with bike & footpaths on both sides. The Tilikum_Crossing in Portland is so well designed that such similar bridges should be built in Calgary & Edmonton, or even Winnipeg, some day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTrain_(Vancouver)#Rolling_stock 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro#Rolling_stock

Of course the SkyTrain always has the potential for higher capacity over the Edmonton_LRTCTrain & MAX_Light_Rail, simply because its a fully grade separated system. The biggest mistake for the SkyTrain was that it wasn't designed to ultimately have a 152.4 m station, like the Montreal_Metro has. 

Selective+Door+Operation can enable longer trains on the system.


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